Are you in the closet Herbie

Well its simple making plans to build a new complex system the engenier i consulted because its a huge complex system wants me to do a Herbie type drain overflow system with two drains of 2" one fully submerged the other surfaced for emergency, saying Bean animal is redundant and over the top, his view , not mine.....

I've receice a lot of comments about the Bean animal system and thats the system i should use. Thruth is, i'm not really fond of over plumbing my tank.

My question is ; are you a Herbie in the closet and don't talk about your Herbie system not to be stigmatised or made fun of.... vote on it its a secret.....


PS; i haven't made my decision yet, still watching vid and reading.

 

I have run both. Neither one has every failed in years of service. The bean animal is easier to tune simply because the second drain handles a little bit of the flow. I am always having to re-tune my herbie everytime I do a water change. Both are completely silent.

 

well, your title was enough to open the thread beaver. You are a crack up!

 

You just need a few pills a day and you see the world in a new colors scheme LOL LOL LOL i crack myself up LOLOLO;D

 

His user name is pure gold too. I wish I knew about either of them to give an opinion. Here's a bump!

 

OHH ya thats right up there with the picture of my mema trying to get out of the oily bathub...........::-X:-X

 

Plain ol' Dursos here...never had a problem with them.

 

Two guys set out for different tasks, and both used the same principle to acomplish their goals.

Bean's goal was to make a silent overflow that was 100% fail safe. It is 100% fail safe and silent. Nobody needs 100%. # redundant oversizes drains are indeed "fail safe" but are not needed. The only criticisms are that is is too complicated and too much plumbing, but it is silent and fail safe.

Herbie set out to build a silent drain with what he had... which was a reef ready predrilled tank... so that is what he used. He used the original drain hole as a drain, the original return hole as a emergency drain, and then put his return over the back of the tank. He had to do that because he too was concerned about failure. Throttling the drain opened the door to overflowing the tank. So he needed a back up.

The problem with a true Herbi is that the "emergency" drain can't flow the same as the main drain because it is smaller. So if the main drain was to plug 100%, then the emergency has to take... and can. But some use the emergency as an added regulation like Bean and let some little extra overflow down the sides of the emergency drain... but then that takes away some of the emergency capacity.

If I was to do a tank today, I would do a modified Herbie... or a modified Bean... how ever you want to look at it. I would have two over sized drains the same size. Throttle one for silent operation, and allow a small amount down the emergency for regulation. The emergency would still be able to take 100% flow easily.

A true Herbie has a bit of regulation from water hight, but it is a small band. You do not want to overflow the emergency... but if you allow the water level in the overflow to go down too much... then you get noise from water falling into it. Setting flow to overflow the emergency a bit would keep it rock steady and silent... and more fail safe than 90% of tanks out there... the ones with out a Bean.

The beauty is in having a completely silent overflow and no bubbles in the sump. Best thing I did to my tank. Stop thinking, start designing.

 

Thanks for sharing thats cool. Yes its a bit a direction i'm going as well.....2" drains

 

How big is your tank?