Building, Civil, Structural Engineers- I think it'll hold!...

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  1. Todd_Sails

    Todd_Sails Giant Squid

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    I'm upgrading to a 180, same length, 6in more depth fron to back. I plan on basically putting it where my 125 sits now.

    Here's where my 125 currently sits on the ground level floor, above the basement.
    The wall behind the DT is where the floor joices end on top or a header. the floor joices ARE perpendicular to the wall behind the DT.
    They are 2x12's spaced at 16in. centers- pretty standard.

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    The photo shows that wall header behind and below the DT, and above my sump, the white Spaflex hose seen is my Current Line up to the DT. You can see the 2x12 floor joices.

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    JUST MY LUCK! One of the two previous owners had installed a wall in the basement partitioning off the 'finished part'- kind of anyways, from the unfinished part, that also houses the furnace, and Water heater, and my sump room.
    As you can see, while not really structurally supporting anything, the wall is build to the hilt-meets any codes I"m sure, and is stud grade 2x4's, with a beefy header for the folding door that leads into the 'sump room'.
    Just so happens THIS wall is parallel to the back wall, and only 4ft, 9 inches from the back wall.

    So this is an extra support for the floor joices that would actually sit about 1 ft, 6 in. in front of the DT!

    From what little I know, I feel this will hold the extra 5-7 hundred pounds of my upgrade. (New stand will be much heavier than my current one, and the extra Water, etc.)

    What do you civil engineer types think?

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  3. Todd_Sails

    Todd_Sails Giant Squid

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    OK, please advise, civil engineer, builder types, or anyone
     
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    DevinH Montipora Capricornis

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    I'm not an engineer but I am a reefer, hope you're keeping that 125 up too!
     
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    Todd_Sails Giant Squid

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    Up as in out of the basement? No problem here

    Or up, as in keeping it going also? I plan on moving evrything over to the 180.
     
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    With 2 x 12 joists centered at 16", you could park an army tank on your floor and fill it with saltwater. Literally. I've seen decades-old barns full of tractors and farming equipment with less support than that.
     
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    diverdan Bangghai Cardinal

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    Todd,
    I am no engineer but am in the construction industry. Standard Simpson 2x12 strong ties have a downward rating of just under 900lbs each. At standard 16" of center spacing, you could have roughly 3,600 lbs at the joists. If you were to add any other bracing between them or re support the joists I don't see that you would have any problems whatsoever averaging that your tank would weigh shy of 2,000 lbs with rock and sand.
    The strong tie rating is the most basic tie rating and will only go up in lb rating with a more quality tie.
    If the 2x12 joists do not have Simpson strong ties then I personally would add them as they can be added after the fact just for a piece of mind.
    I hope this helped a little. Let me know if you have any questions regarding my thoughts.
     
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    Todd_Sails Giant Squid

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    That's good to know Bill, thanks!
     
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    I always called it a joist hanger.
    I feel that's for when the joist is toe nailed into the the end plate.
    You can see that my joists in this area of the DT, are resting on the top plate of the wall so shearing forces are all but eliminated. The wall supporting the joists on the front side of the DT also rests on the top plate of the wall for support, no shearing there either.

    Yes/NO?
     
  11. diverdan

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    Yes.

    I just looked at the pictures and I don't see any reason why you would have any problems. I didn't see them before. Sorry.

    There's different terms for them. Simpson strong ties are a manufacturer of them and one of the most popular construction. You are right though.

    Again I am no engineer but if you were to ask me I would say that you should have no problem whatsoever. Even if you decided to beef it up a little it wouldn't hurt anything.
    This is just my $.02. But I think your good.