Can someone dumb down ozone for me?

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  1. RemickJ

    RemickJ Teardrop Maxima Clam

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    Hey Guys and Gals,

    I hope you all are well. So I was at my LFS tonight and contemplated getting an Oxzone system to hook up to my Aqua controller. I thought I would pass on it until I got a chance to talk to you all to find out if it's something I need. My ORP is always up over 400 which is why I am asking. do you only need it if your ORP is low? What will it do for me and my livestock?

    Any help would be great. I've done some reading on it but still don't have a grasp. :confused:
     
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  3. Robman

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    Ozone also removes bacteria. Think of it as a UV on Steroids.
     
  4. Siddique

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    I've heard that it's very dangerous for non experts to use but I've also heard that the results that the experts do get are phenomenal. tfh publication "water chemistry" explains it in a simple manner if my memory serves me correctly.
     
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    i was also looking into ozone and then i read it could be dangerous to humans if its not used correct or in a room that gets no fresh air it will build up into toxic ammounts and will cause death and that made me just say forget that. but do a search i did read a good article about it that explained it in 2 parts easy to read and then the sience side of it
     
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    the fisherman Vlamingii Tang

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    I'm afraid to use or try ozone
     
  7. RemickJ

    RemickJ Teardrop Maxima Clam

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    I have the Aqua controller so that should really run it once I set it up. From what I understand you turn it on at 380 and off at 400-420 or something like that.. (if your seaching do not use these numbers, I'm stating what I heard) I hear it makes skimming more effective, improves water quality etc.. I'm just not sure if I need it or not given my ORP is always above 450. I think Otty runs it on his system but I'm not sure.
     
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  9. steve wright

    steve wright Super Moderator

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    RemickJ

    if your looking for someone to dumb down a subject - I can help

    Ozone is 03 or 3 molecules of Oxygen bonded together

    ORP or Redox - is the reduction of organic waste Via oxidisation ( the waste gets burned into not existing)

    thus having Ozone, O3 (same thing different terms) in your system regulated by a ORP controller means you water quality in terms of unwanted organics is easier to maintain

    ORP - can drop as a result of a signifcant increase of bio load - a dead fish etc
    ORP - can drop for a short period as a result of a water change (normally short term)

    those with Ozone coupled up to a controller with an ORP probe - can negate the above 2

    Steve
     
  10. RemickJ

    RemickJ Teardrop Maxima Clam

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    Thanks Steve- So could one make the argument that since my ORP is always (well usually) up above 450 that this would not be needed for my system? Will this help with Nitrates at all as far as breaking down more waste? My nitrates are always between 10 and 20?
     
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    Tangster 3reef Sponsor

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    450 is Rather high I could get my ORP to 450 with 600 Mh of ozone for a long enough period .. if you feed the fish does it drop and if so what does it drop off to ? I've been using 03 since about 1970 and I have never experienced any of the B/S horror stories I hear and see in print.. I have read about the fish having their flesh burned off to blinded and seared gill plates even.

    In the day of the old Saunders units we used to call them little pigs as they looked like a pig with their cover casings design and a little pig tail for a elect plug .

    Ozone is point source gas that is made by sending air through a bulb that has a arching set of electrodes and the high voltage alters the odd nitrogen molecule , Then 02 is converted to 03 and that make the end produced gas far more oxidative then normal air . Its natures natural purifier like lightening in a storm at the beach or anywhere .

    Even new elect motors can produce it for a bit Its that sweet pungent storm smell I use them for the air in my house and on the fish tanks I have installed many of them for Dr's office and operating rooms to Malls . I'm installing all new ducting in this house and I will add the 03 generator also great for killing off mold spores in basements and damp confined areas .

    When I used to Race pigeons we ran them in the lofts also to kill of mites and keep the air clean so as to not allow the birds to maybe spread disease from another loft after they where confined in shipping for a 500 mile trip to race back .

    I installed them Vets offices for dogs , cats and their Bird hospital also and in chicken farms even and on a spring water Co. Botteling systesm for bottle water they sell nationaly . It is far more effecient then U/V and does a far better job. Make water crystal clear even more so then carbon will .

    But 03 will convert back to 02 is a heartbeat when exposed to air and if its is passed over carbon it is neturalized on the spot .
     
  12. invert phil

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    I use ozone with a redox controller at work and we have terrible problems with the controller. The ones I have used cannot be calibrated and always read incorrectly (up to 200mV out) after about 3-12 months of use. We have more sensitive calibrated redox meters in the lab I work in to keep a check on it.
    Which means that they are easy to underdose or overdose ozone if the controller cannot be calibrated.