HELP! Reef Builder to raise pH?

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  1. Rocheal

    Rocheal Astrea Snail

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    LFS (seems knowledgeable and honest) tested my water today. Everything tested perfectly except the pH being a little bit low, but at home on our test strips the alkalinity is reading pretty high. He said a lot of people will choose the Buffer to raise the pH, but he recommended I get Builder (which also raises alkalinity, too, right?) which would also help with the calcium in the water and reflect positively on my live rock as well.

    I am concerned after reading the label. What do you guys recommend and why?
     
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  3. missionsix

    missionsix Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Yes, use it. I normally test for dKH more often than my pH. Once my buffer shows a proper pH, I move to alkalinity and test pH a couple/few times a year. Do you have a alkalinity/dKH/KH test kit?
     
  4. Rocheal

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    No, I don't. But like I said the alkalinity is reading high here (on strips... but apparently fine at the LFS), and the label for the builder claims to raise alkalinity... You'd still use the builder? It says to be careful not to overdose. I have a 40 gal tank. The LFS said to add half a teaspoon in a cup of freshwater to dissolve, then put in the tank.
     
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    missionsix Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Those test strips are no good to use. The waring is so that you don't raise your pH too much, too fast. A 1.0 increase in pH is actually a 10x increase in acidity. This is why adjusting kH also has a warning about needing to add buffer in the morning when the lights come on to avoid high fluctuations in acidity. I've never killed anything adjusting my carbonate hardness at all times of the day and over the recommended amounts. Buy a new alkalinity test kit. And I don't know what plans you have for coral but, there may be a couple/few more test kits you need. Going cheap on these is more of a hassle and more expensive.
     
  6. steve wright

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    Seachem's reef builder

    I use that if it is
    yep the packaging says 1/2 a level teaspoon per 40 gallons twice per week
    and you mix it well with fresh water (RODI is best) prior to adding to tank

    but if your DHK is OK tested ( did the LFS tell you what it was?) and your PH is low- there may be reasons for this not linked directly to alkalinity.

    such as
    C02 build up in tank
    C02 build up in room
    lack of surface movement on top of water preventing CO2 and oxygen exchanging

    Steve
     
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  7. unclejed

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    Test strips are notorious for inaccurate readings. Salifert (although a bit involved) is real accurate or API (less involved) is good but just a bit less accurate than Salifert.

    I use Reef Builder, it is a fine product that works. In case you mis-understood its' purpose, here is an excerpt from the product site, I will put in bold the key things to be considered;

    Seachem Reef Builder raises carbonate alkalinity without immediately impacting on pH. With long term use there will be a tendency to stabilize at pH 8.3. Carbonates and calcium are essential to all coral growth. If either becomes deficient, coral growth will cease, followed by a rapid decline in coral health. Used as directed, Reef Builder will not deplete calcium, magnesium, or strontium which usually tend to precipitate with increasing alkalinity.

    I can vouch for this as my PH (which hovered around 8.0-8.1) is stable at 8.3. The half teaspoon per your tank is correct. Dose every day and check every day until you see the result sought, then, don't dose and check day-by-day to understand the "fall off" rate and dose accordingly. If you need a further explanation, let us know.

    You can now calibrate your strips. What ever you show on the strip, say 12 DKH and LFS showed say 9 DKH, you simply subtract 3 DKH from the test strip result. I hope this helps you.
     
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  9. Rocheal

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    Very good advice, Steve. That's what I think it is!! Lack of movement on water surface. Fabulous, thank you guys very much. I've learned a ton from these three posts. You guys ROCK!!
     
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    Wow, thank you, thank you very much unclejed. I hope I can master this like you guys one day!

    The spray bar was placed vertical in the tank because I am waiting on a part shipment to be able to place it horizontally. I've moved it up to create surface movement in hopes of this leveling out the pH.

    I think I am going to let it chill for a few hours before dosing with the builder to see if it stabilizes naturally from the creation of movement along the surface of the water... HOPEfully it will!

    Would you allow it to chill as well? (We have sand, for what it's worth, as far as calcium levels go.)
     
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  11. steve wright

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    I would wait 24 hours and see where your at with your PH to be honest
    and test later on in the day when lights have been on a while

    test kits for
    Calcium
    Magnesium
    DKH or Alkalinity

    would be ideal at this stage IMO
    When you know where all these levels are
    then you can take actions required to put them where you want/need them

    Steve
     
  12. Rocheal

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    Awesome, will do. Thank you very much!!