High phosphates - a couple of questions please.

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  1. OnefishTwofish

    OnefishTwofish Feather Star

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    Hello to All,

    I got a bit of a shock earlier when I took my water in to the LFS to be tested on their Hanna unit and my phosphate reading was close to .5 UGH.
    Everything else tested fine.

    I have had my new T5 lights up and running now for almost two weeks.
    Had a couple of snails die in rock crevices and didnt find them til i did a huge cleaning and water change etc on Wed night. The smell was awful when i removed them.

    That said, since the lights were finally installed i had noticed GHA starting to show on my tank glass in little separate filaments. That alerted me that something was off. I had also figured it was because of the lighting being so much better.

    I can definitely be faulted for overfeeding now and then. I currently use Rod's food and Ocean Nutrition flakes / alternated etc. I had NOT been rinsing the Rod's food once it was thawed.

    This most recent cleaning and water change was about 6 gallons (my tank is a 29 gallon) and i had dismantled my HOB skimmer etc and took a toothbrush to my Koralias etc. Turkey-bastered the rocks etc etc... I do this thorough cleaning about 3-4 weeks apart. The water changes are weekly with a light vaccuuming / rock blowing.

    For the record, this was my first water change using Oceanic salt. It has gotten a lot of positive feedback on the forums so i decided to switch over to it from Reef Crystals.

    I use RO/DI water purchased from my LFS. I always use the same container - they refill it for me.

    The action I took so far:

    Picked up some Pura Phosphate eliminator and slipped a little bag of it in the return chamber of the skimmer along with a small bag of charcoal.

    I dont have a sump / refugium etc. - but i did place a ball of chaeto in a fine stretchable clear mesh bag and have that floating in the tank as well.

    I will cut the lighting down considerably and will feed every other day and try rinsing the thawed food.

    Questions:

    1. Was that the right thing to do with the two bags of media?

    2. Regarding water changes in order to try to reduce the phosphate reading considering its so high - how often and how much? can it / should it be daily until i get this situation under control?

    3. What else can i / should i do ?

    Thanks to all for your comments. I feel terrible about this - but need to accept it and deal with it while considering it a good learning experience.

    Just want to be sure i am on the right course of action.

    Many thanks in advance.
     
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  3. RustyShakleford

    RustyShakleford Feather Duster

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    if you dont have a sump or anything then yes putting the media bags in the return line of the skimmer will work out, thats what i do it took a little while for my readings to go down but it definitely works. as far as the WC go i would just do what you have been doing, the phosphate media should do the rest
     
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    I prefer reef crystals.Make sure you rinse your media in ro/di water especially phos media.The dust from it can kill corals quick.
     
  5. wfb2270

    wfb2270 Corkscrew Tentacle Anemone

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    you may also want to test the new water from the lfs, the RO unit may need some maint. I would assume they would be cool about testing their water for you.
     
  6. OnefishTwofish

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    Thanks to all who responded. It is much appreciated. I have a feeling that my course of action is the right one. Now it becomes a matter of how long it will take for the number to go down.

    I appreciate you advice and feedback!
     
  7. unclejed

    unclejed Whip-Lash Squid

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    A phosphate reactor will all but eliminate phosphate from the tank. A small hang on like this will work; ViaAqua Poly-Reactor Multi-Media Reactor
     
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  9. OnefishTwofish

    OnefishTwofish Feather Star

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    awesome suggestion :) this will be a good and worthy investment. Looks really versatile.

    thank you :)
     
  10. OnefishTwofish

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    oh....while we are on the topic - overfeeding leads to detritus.
    I thought detritus was a Nitrate producer - is it related to spikes in phosphates as well?

    Just making sure i understand that relationship.

    thanks again
     
  11. unclejed

    unclejed Whip-Lash Squid

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    Sort of, the phoshate is from the digested food and urine of the inhabitants of the tank. Phosphate would be more compared to a metobolic waste ase compared to a degrading waste (as with detritus). Here is the first definition as reguarding phosphate;
    " a salt or ester of a phosphoric acid (2) : the trivalent anion PO43− derived from phosphoric acid H3PO4 b : an organic compound of phosphoric acid in which the acid group is bound to nitrogen or a carboxyl group in a way that permits useful energy to be released (as in metabolism)."
     
  12. OnefishTwofish

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    Well, brief update, had the water retested on the LFS's Hanna last evening and the phosphates are down by .03 in the course of 4 days.

    Wish it would drop a bit faster. Tonight is another water change.

    Does anyone have some spare patience they can offer up?

    :)