Minimum tank sizes and selection of animals.

I could argue that it is cruel to keep any fish in any size tank, everything about it is unnatural. We strive to make it as natural as possible setting up an ecosystem that emulates the ocean as best we could, but even the best reefkeepers out there with the nicest tanks do an extremely poor job of even coming close to setting up a system that truly mimics an ocean habitat.
On the other hand you can argue that taking a species from an ocean habitat where food is sometimes scarce and they have to watch for predators on a constant basis and in return all they have to offer up is some swimming room is an extremely good deal for the little guy.

I am in no way saying we should not be keeping fish period, what we do as hobbyist is important not because we can keep pretty little fishies in our living rooms, but because it allows us to understand them better and keep a strain separate from that of those in the ocean. This allows us to help endangered species and protect habitats and species.

 

I fell for it....

 

Naso tang in a 75 is animal cruelty
nailed it 8)

 

Yes, but what about a 125? The obvious is pretty much that. What always gets me is the more border line deals.

 

border line for a naso IMO is a 8 x 2 x 2

 

Not according to where most people go to base these decisions. This is exactly my point. One person might think that a 1000 gallon pond is to small for a guppy and another might think that you can fit it in an altoids can. Realistically tossing a guppy in a fish bowl might be borderline but anything bigger would be fine. In a home aquarium a Naso tang is NOT going to live the same way it dd in the ocean. We all agree this should mean a large tank. How the tank is set up, water quality and care are nearly as important as length x width (which are very important).

The second part of my argument is credibility. I need to start by saying I have a mimic tang in a 6 foot tank and would not put a blue or naso tang in the tank. I also don;t think a 46 bow is enough for a blue tang for more then a month. I agree with Vinny on the vast majority of his fish posts. My point here is that by saying what you just said -a 8 foot tank is borderline for a naso- people will automatically stop listening to what you are saying. Weather it is sound advise or not, it sounds outrageous to the type of person (usual new) who would want to put one in a 29L. Usually in these types of posts the "offending" poster will say one of two things (exaggerated for emphasis); 1. 7 foot tank imo..... (pretty vague and not helpful) 2. You are torturing innocent fish by asking questions about tank size in reef forums! (to negative to someone just getting into the hobby imo. We need more responsible reef keepers, not less!). Instead of employing these methods I would suggest we give them a better option. I have seen this done very well on here by a number of people (shout out to Cheryl- Alex, you suck at this). It goes something like this "Based on the criteria you are looking for in a fish and your current set up the naso tank in your bio-cube will be both very expensive to upkeep and has a strong likelihood of something going wrong including not being able to have any other fish with it. If I had a sweet bio-cube like yours I would consider arming it with a Royal Gramma -link to LA here-. With a Royal Gramma you can make your girlfriend love you more and have way to many other fish in your tank!"

ok, I shouldn;t post in the mornings before coffee....

 

I see how its going to be Tom. I agree with you 100% however, Cheryl is very personable unlike me, and 1.0 has no credibility. I still wouldn't keep a Naso in a standard 6' 125g.

 

Whats credibility? Sorry, you know I'm just a kid
I completely agree with you. It's as if when we can't keep a fish we back away from the facts...

 

I am a newb when it comes to forums.Except for the gaming community I was apart of I have never joined a forum before.I quickly realised here its really not what you say its how you say it. People are much more apt to listen to advice if it doesn't hint at criticism.Even if thats not your intent(as in my case).It is human nature to be defensive when your choices are questioned and usually the less mature the person the more likely they are to take it personally.(not always) I have gone to great lengths lately to alter somewhat how I say things because some people just take it the wrong way.Nature of the beast.I am here to help.;D

 

So Vinny; in your opinion no one should keep sharks because they will eventually out grow the tank and have to be relocated.

I watch Tanked for the builds they do, but when they do the shark tanks and you see them relocating the shark, you can see the stress the animal is in.