Motorcycle Safety Foundation

First, let me say I'm not an "anti-helmet bigot." I wear a full-face helmet. It does an excellent job of keeping insects, debris, and wind out of my face and probably will do a good job of keeping my face and head scratch and hole free when I hit the ground in minor crashes. However, I don't think it will make much difference in preventing fatality when my head hits a hard object in severe crashes. We may never agree on how effective helmets are in reducing head trauma or how detrimental they are in aggravating neck breakage, but I wear one anyway; so let's leave the helmet issue behind.
I also wear leather gloves, leather pants, a leather jacket, and boots when I ride. I believe all of these help prevent road rash when I go down at low to moderate speed. Debating whether or not, when I go down at the speeds I enjoy on the San Francisco Bay Area Freeways, they will provide adequate protection is pointless to me because I am pretty sure that someone will run over me as soon as I fall. I still maintain that leather gloves, leather pants, leather jackets, and boots are probably more effective than helmets in reducing the number and severity of superficial injuries. If every rider wore them, the total medical cost incurred by all minor motorcycle accident victims would probably be lower. What's wrong with mandating their use? Why are only helmets mandated?
Now that we've talked about my position on protective gear, we can talk about my views/positions on MSF and Mr. Davis.
I think what MSF and Mr. Davis teach us is mostly good, especially if techniques suggested are easily executable by most of us. They present their views, and it's up to each individual to evaluate and decide whether to accept them or not.
We've been told motorcycle riding is dangerous, but have we really known how dangerous the activity is? When I figured out and saw that the odds of getting into a motorcycle accident is 1 out of 47 riders in a year (based on the data I found on pages 25 and 39 of Kentucky Traffic Collision Facts for 2000), I was shocked. Until I saw this figure, I had had only a vague feeling that motorcycle riding is dangerous. Now that I've seen the odds, I feel motorcycle riding is a lot more dangerous than most of us have thought. Maybe the odds are low enough for you to accept in exchange for the joy of riding. Only you can decide, but if you think you can lower the odds by learning about riding safety and honing your riding skills, you are kidding yourself. Sure, as your skills improve, the level of dangerous situations you can avoid will get higher. However, there's always something which will be beyond your capability to handle within the limit of your current skill level. This process of improving skills will go on ad infinitum until you get into...you know what I mean.
One major point I want to make is that we got enticed into this dangerous sport because we were somehow led to believe riding motorcycles doesn't have to be as dangerous as we had feared. We started believing that learning about riding safety will lessen the danger of riding to an acceptable level, without being told explicitly how high the risk level has been to start with. We got hooked and we are now addicted because we have been introduced to the joy of riding.
We have fallen victims to the enticing public sentiment conjured up by MSF, gradually but steadily being permeated through society over the years. What they have launched is a subtle but powerful form of brainwashing, and the message coming from them is what we want to hear, so, naturally we tend to accept what they say, something like, "Learn more about riding safety and you will be safer." But some of us will inevitably get into accidents. Learning is fine, but the concern I have in this area is our tendency to develop ill-founded confidence, a false-sense of security, and a false-sense of superiority rather easily. (If you don't understand what kind of mentality I'm talking about, look at the comments left by visitors to Mr. Davis' site. You can view them from the home page. They are frightening.)
Unfortunately all of these things are open for subjective judgment; therefore, I will move onto the biggest concern I have with MSF. I believe MSF is making getting a motorcycle license easier to new riders by providing waivers for the actual skill test. I think the tests given in the Basic Rider Course are easier than the regular skill test given by the Department of Motor Vehicles in California. Let's not get into the details of the Basic Rider Course. I don't need to hear how difficult it is. The shortness of the course alone is enough to convince me that the course is not adequate. Do you really believe that just one day or so of riding a light bike in a closed circuit makes a student competent enough to hop on a powerful sportbike? Theoretically, anybody who passes the course can start riding a Hayabusa right away as his or her first bike. It's insane! Why do they make getting a license easy for young people? (The only way people under the age of 21 in California can get a motorcycle license is by passing the Basic Rider Course. Put differently, if they pass Basic Rider Course test, which I feel is easier than the actual skill test given by the DMV, they get a motorcycle license.) How about issuing just learner's permits to those who pass the course. What is wrong with that?

Don't you find it curious that the peak of Japan's sportbike boom coincides with the period in which MSF came into existence in the U.S.? This is how the thinking of the Japanese may have gone around that time:

"The total sales of new motorcycles in Japan peaked in 1982 with 3,280,000 units sales and have been declining steadily ever since. The sales of sportbikes may have already peaked in Japan, and if we keep going with this power/speed race, the government will intervene sooner or later. We don't want that. Let's slow down domestically. We can afford the lower sales from the sportbike category here because we have the U.S. market where the situation is still 'anything goes.' "But we have to lower the fear many non-riders and mothers in the U.S. seem to have towards riding. So, let's create an organization to promote a 'come and try riding...it's not so scary' sentiment in the society to entice more people into riding. We have to do this in a subtle way, but Honda succeeded with their famous 1962 'You Meet the Nicest People on a Honda' ad campaign. We will succeed."
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There you have it. This is how you got hooked. But don't blame MSF. They never lied about the danger of riding or the uncertainty of the effectiveness of the motorcycle safety programs they supervise. Page 1 of the California Motorcycle Handbook, 2001 says, "The Motorcycle Safety Foundation, California Highway Patrol (CHP),...all agree that improved licensing, along with quality motorcycle ride education and increased public awareness, has the potential to reduce the number and severity of motorcycle accidents." "...has the potential to reduce..." After over 10 years of operation, this is all they dare to say.
If you have a copy of the Basic Rider Course textbook (actually they call it Student Workbook), browse through its pages. Do you see a section with drawings of various kinds of motorcycles? Read the descriptions for SPORT and STANDARD. Which do you think gets more attention from young people, who are "hormonally driven beyond rational thought"?
This booklet looks more like a sales brochure to me. About half of it is devoted to products available for riders, and the rest to the actual riding techniques/strategies. But isn't most of it common sense?
You still think MSF has helped you lower your odds of getting into accidents. Well, I think they may have increased your chance of being able to avoid dangerous situations. Read their definition of the word, accident, in the glossary section.
"Accident - An unexpected and undesirable event.
Usually suggests an unavoidable event."
A little gray, but at least they don't say it's usually avoidable. You still say MSF can't be a "front" for the Japanese motorcycle industry to get you hooked on riding? Read the last sentence on the back of the front cover.
"MSF is sponsored by the U.S. distributors of BMW, Ducati, Harley-Davidson, Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki and Yamaha motorcycles."
Well, the Japanese bike makers have not been the only ones behind MSF. Yeah, other bike makers appreciate your business too. Do you see my point now? No? You still think I'm just deranged? Fine, I've tried my best to present my views. You keep believing in whatever you want to believe in. But do just one more thing for me. Read the message they put on the back cover of the booklet:
"THE MORE YOU KNOW
THE BETTER IT GETS"
(Yeah, keep learning more and more about riding safety, baby, because it gets better and better and better and better...until....)

 

wow that was a novel dood , do you ride pushbikes as well ? they are alot safer!!

 

Back down off your soap box, "baby".....

I took That course, at the Harley place in Orlando, FL. It IS where I got my MC license. After taking the course and successfully completing it, I have to say it is other drivers, who scare me the most. Have you ever taken the course? You HAVE to take the test, it is NOT waived. Who ever gave you that info, is wrong. Yes, taking the course helped me in ways that a learner's permit would not. They give you situations to handle in a controlled environment. I feel every person who rides SHOULD take this course or an advanced one.


Ok, but really, I'm confused, what is this post about anyway? Are you just venting against the MSF, tooting your own horn, pissed off at bike manufacturers or just love to write long essays? I really thought this was a site about fishies and some funny posts/jokes every now and then, by the way, who said anything about motorcycles?................

 

Actually in California they waive the ride test if you take the course (which I didn't).

After logging upwards of 50k miles commuting for several years on a bike (Oakland to San Jose, San Ho to The City, etc) I must say the sacriest people out there fall into two classes: other riders ("Tourists" on new bikes they don't know how to handle) and minivans driven by cell phone users.


I fully support the concept of the MSF (CC Rider, etc) course, and in fact know people who didn't ride well enough to pass once- they had to take it a second or third time to pass the second day ride test. I can't say whether it is easier than the DMV test (which can be tricky), but it can't hurt. And yes, one can learn a lot in two days. I took a flat track racing course in Vancouver, WA (American Supercamp) and learned more in two days of riding a Honda XR100 than I had learned in years of street riding.

And yes, I wear a full face helmet and either full leather or mesh- I won't even wear a black helmet due to visibility problems.

Anyway, what were we talking about?

 

my state,pa.is giving free courses in bike safely that you get your license after.i heard that its fun and usefull.i plan to go soon.i have to take my written test 1st.anyway as far as safety goes i think there should be a waver for non-helmet wearing drivers.my friends nepfew just drove out in front of an unsuspecting driver and was killed by a head injury.she went to jail for man slaughter instead of getting a traffic sitation like she would of gotten if he had his helmet on an lived.anyway its getting into motorcycle season and i hope your all careful out there while your driving your fish home from the lfs lol,and drivers please watch out for us bikers.leave 2 or more car lenths.when a bike gets hit its not like your cars.

 

I dont know what all the legalities here are but I know I cant stand most of the little crotch rocket driving punks on the highway, I had one get in front of me the other day, turn around and flip me off then do a wheelie in front of my xtera. let me tell you this, i had 1/2 a mind to just run his ass over...

Nothing against bikers in all reality, my grandpa was one, Ive had several friends that were harley enthusiasts but here the #1 reason for motorcycle accidents is the horrible road conditions, seriously there is some potholes that will just flip you off your bike.. My first NEW car was lost to an old guy on a trike, he ran a red light, hit me in the passenger side door doing over 60mph I got to see the ankle behind the ears show and all not to mention I was less than 2 miles from the dealer that I had just picked my new truck up at...

 

I only wear a helmet in a state I have to. If I want to splatter my brains on the highway then I should have my rights to freedom to do so and so should any one else.
I have taken the BRC (Basic Riders Course) & the ERC (Experienced Riders Course) with ABATE I learned a lot from it. Most of it comes down to reaction to an event. If you can react and not panic like most people do then you will do just fine on a bike. Dangerous my a**! :-/

Heck it is dangerous for kids to go to school and not get shot at so should they all quit???

I live my life in the wind and love it. If my life comes to an end while riding at least I left this world doing some thing I enjoy.