Need some help

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  1. Josh1215

    Josh1215 Astrea Snail

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    I need some help.

    I have had such a bad week of fish dying and I have no idea why.

    Here are my details:

    55g, mixed reef

    Fish that are fine and have had no issues at all:
    6 line wrasse
    Black and white clown
    Ocellaris Clown
    High fin red banded goby
    Canary yellow blenny

    Fish that have died:
    Powder blue tang (he was fine for 3-4 months then dead - I posted in another thread this was after a vacation I went on and I questioned the introduction of some pathogen by the tank's caretaker)
    Potters Wrasse - dead within 24 hours
    Rainford's goby - dead within 48 hours

    Fish that I got 48 hours ago and is fine:
    Coral goby

    Reef occupants:
    3 headed torch
    Big xenia colony
    Blue maxima clam
    BTA
    Coco worm
    Feather duster
    Hammers
    Maxi mini carpet anemone
    Finger leather
    Candy canes
    Long and short tentacle plate
    small zoa frag, small mushroom frag

    Other inverts:
    Starfish
    Nassarius snails, Turbo snails
    2 peppermint shrimp
    copepods

    Lighting - 7 LED reefbars 4 blue, 3 white, and a current USA marineland LED on at 8 am off at 6 pm w 4 hours blue moonlight then off

    Skimmer - JNS-VS1 HOB skimmer, filter, eheim 2217 with a big bag of activated carbon, bag of GFO and bioballs, and filter floss

    Parameters
    Salinity 1.025-26
    Temp 79 degrees
    dkH - 8.5
    Nitrate - 0, Amm - 0
    Calcium - 400
    pH - 8.2

    I am acclimating with a drip method into a bowl with a piece of airline tubing. The latest guys I acclimated for 3.5 hours...sometimes its not that long but the store told me they were kept at a salinity of 1.015 so I had to go slow.

    Can someone please offer advice...the rapidity of death indicates to me this cannot be a pathogen. That is way too quick to get sick and die. Is it just stress? Am I buying fragile fish? Or do I just suck?

    I cant figure out what to do next...i just did two 20% WC over 2 days so basically have added in 20 gallons of brand new water...I am using RODI water...with reef crystals...

    Can anyone offer recommendations?
     
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  3. Josh1215

    Josh1215 Astrea Snail

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    Forgot to mention:

    Feeding wise, I feed every day. In the morning I feed New Life Spectrum marine pellets
    Then when I get home maybe every other day I feed 1/4 cube of mysis
    For corals I feed reef roids every few days - just a pinch, dissolved in water first, and maybe once a week I add aquavitro fuel...
     
  4. Corailline

    Corailline Super Moderator

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    It is a dry heat, yeah right !
    If your store is actually keeping their tropical tanks at 1.015 and you're around 1.025-26 that might very well be a contributing factor. It's a lot easier for fish to adjust to going down on the SG scale, and a lot harder to go back up. I need to back and look at my notes/literature on how fast you can raise the SG for marine fish. Your options are, get your fish from a store that holds their fish at a higher salinity, lower your display salinity (keeping invert stress in mind), acclimate in a quarantine tank (your best option by far), or drip acclimate much longer (PITA).

    When everything in the tank is doing well and fish die then it's probably a different reason for each death and not a blanket cause. Wrasses are sensitive during acclimation (try an acclimation box) or acclimate in a wrasse minded quarantine tank.
     
  5. Josh1215

    Josh1215 Astrea Snail

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    The fish that was kept at 1.015 is the goby who is actually still doing fine. The other two were kept much closer to my tank at 1.025 and 1.020. I acclimated over several hours with a slow drip...is this not long enough? Do I really need a box? Cant I just a big bowl like what I have been using or a small little critter tank?

    How long would you acclimate a simple goby or wrasse?

    I am not sure I understand the quarantine tank thing...I can understand if this is to the benefit of the main tank, ie you want to isolate a fish and make sure he doesnt introduce anything to the tank....but how does this help the incoming fish? after a few hours the fish's water is entirely that of the tank so what is the difference if its in a tiny box or in the actual tank where it has room to swim (and copepods and algae to eat)....I have no predators, no aggressive fish...
     
  6. Corailline

    Corailline Super Moderator

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    It is a dry heat, yeah right !
    Please read Hunter aka member evolved thread on reef safe wrasses.