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  1. texanjordan

    texanjordan Peppermint Shrimp

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    what were you going to say? I am going to be running chaeto and mangroves in my sump, and i am going to have a DSB in both my display and sump. And the sump does have a light on it. I do a 10 gallon water change every other week on my tank right now, its not an issue, pretty easy to do acutally with a sump.
     
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  3. Screwtape

    Screwtape Tonozukai Fairy Wrasse

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    Are you planning on a reef with coral or just FOWLR?

    I think it's a little overstocked as well. Different people have different levels of stocking in mind though, some of it is just differing opinions. I tend to go towards understocking so I can overfeed my fish, if anything, without worrying about nutrient issues and also for oxygen levels. Especially in case of power outages you will lose an overstocked tank much more quickly unless you have a good automatic backup generator/power system in place.

    A large CUC isn't actually a real solution to overstocking IMO. That just means you'll have something that helps (won't solve) with a symptom of excess nutrients by eating some algae that grows with excess nutrients.

    Some corals will not do well with excess nitrates in the system which can be difficult to control in a heavily stocked tank.
    It's good see you're planning on a refugium, for a heavily stocked tank you will probably want a large refugium. THAT to me is more of a solution to overstocking. You need good aeration (saltwater doesn't hold as much dissolved oxygen as freshwater), and good nutrient removal via a good large refugium and/or a skimmer.

    Here are some of my thoughts/opinions on your stocklist.

    Filamented flasher wrasses have been known to be one of the more potentially aggressive of the flashers, although more so with other wrasses from what I've read.

    That is a lot of sand-sifting starfish. You might run into an issue with them starving out after a few months in the tank, they need a lot of well-established sand to keep them happy and fed AFAIK. Most recommendations I've seen is maybe 1 star for a 48"x18" sandbed although I haven't done a ton of researc on them because I've heard of so many dying/starving in smaller tanks. Might be worth doublechecking that if you're not 100% certain that it's OK.

    Also that is not a large tank for a scooter blenny so make sure your refugium is well-established and that there is a good route for pods to get from the refugium to the display so the dragonet (they aren't actually blennies, what a poor common name to have given them *sigh*) has enough to eat.

    To me it sounds like you're taking some risks, which is fine, although I wouldn't generally recommend it for someone brand new to the hobby personally. Just be sure you know what they are and what your options are when something goes wrong. IMO there are enough bad things that happen all the time with reef tanks so putting yourself immediately at a disadvantage before taking unknowns into account is quite risky and I feel probably the source of a lot of sad stories/tank crashes/etc.
     
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    texanjordan Peppermint Shrimp

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    I am planning on adding coral eventually, maybee after around the 6 month mark and my tank is better established. I have read that 3 starfish might be too much, so I will reduce my amount to 1 starfish. I am open to ditching 1 -2 of the fish on my list such as the Wrasse, and the Blenny. Do you think that by removing 1 or both of those fish off of my stocking list, that it would ease the overstocking worry? As far as the airation, I will have a refugium, a wet dry sump, and a protein skimmer running, wont that provide adequite airation? And wont the Refugium running with chaeto and mangroves+ a DSB be enough to remove the nitrates in my system? I have had aquariums for 15+ years now, just never a salt water aquarium. I have been researching for months now, and feel I am ready for the leap. It is not my goal to take risks and I want to make this as smooth as possible without having my own horror story.
     
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    Screwtape Tonozukai Fairy Wrasse

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    I think removing 2 fish would put you much more in the realm of reasonable stocking, personally.
    It sounds like you have a good system setup in mind but it's impossible to say whether it's going to be enough aeration or filtration until it really comes down to all the nitty gritty details that are impossible to predict, every tank and environment is different.

    Here's a potential idea for you. Keep your wish list of stocking that you have now, and stock to a low/medium level initially over the first couple months, stock some coral after 6 months or so, and see how it goes for at least a year with coral in it. Once it's been up and running for a year as a reef then see if you feel comfortable adding another fish.
    There is a chance you will have talked yourself out of stocking any further by that time. :)
    Just be careful about which fish you choose to add later, if they are more timid fish and you have some potentially aggressive/territorial fish already in the tank it might be more difficult to add them later. Stocking order can make the difference between success and failure, although I'm sure there are some tricks that might help introduce timid fish later.

    There are just so many potential problems and you'll probably learn a lot about how your tank and system run over the course of the first year or two. There is no substitute for experience so even with all the research in the world you'll still learn a TON, at least if my own experience of my first year of keeping a reef is any indication. So if you feel like you can handle more risk after the system is well established then by all means go for it, it's your tank after all, I'm just urging caution.
     
  6. texanjordan

    texanjordan Peppermint Shrimp

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    That is pretty much what I was planning, I will add my bio load slowly, start with my CUC after cycle and algae forms, and than addding fis 1-2 at a time. Stocking order is important I plan on adding the 2 clowns first, the Red banded Goby next, than the green chromis, and than the firefish goby. The scooter bleenny, do they serve a purpose in keeping the tank clean, or is the CUC sufficient? I have been told that they are needed in all aquariums, if they are not I have no problem ditching it, they are not very pretty or colorful anyways.
     
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    Screwtape Tonozukai Fairy Wrasse

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    Dragonets, which scooter "blennies" are, do not clean, most of them just eat pods and little crustaceans from your live rock. They are pretty but a lot of them never learn to eat prepared food so they need a well established tank with lots of available live food. If it's not a must-have for you I wouldn't recommend it for that size tank. Read too many stories of them dying although it can take months for them to starve.
    I would add the firefish earlier and the clowns later personally. I think the clowns are the most potentially aggressive/territorial of your list there, especially if they're paired.