Please tell me im wrong!

Discussion in 'ASAP' started by kiarah, Apr 25, 2009.

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  1. kiarah

    kiarah Coral Banded Shrimp

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    Hi all just to add my temp was 86 could this have caused the problem? it now down to 80 would you beleive bothe my heater seem to be playing up!
    thank K
     
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  3. sostoudt

    sostoudt Giant Squid

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    i think it would stress everything but i dont think it would kill your torch as Euphyllia are pretty resilient, unless it was a extended period of time.
     
  4. Dr.Fragenstein

    Dr.Fragenstein Panda Puffer

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    Ok...everyone lets slow down here.... I have stated many times that I am on a mission to dispell many misconceptions in our hobby.... Copper is one of them.
    Ok lets start here...Working in the fish industry I have enevitably encountered disease and have used copper before both chelated and ionic.
    In marine use ionic is preferred as chelated will not work effectively in the marine environment.
    What does this have to do with anything? Ionic copper is VERY UNstable!! When you treat a tank especially a tank that is not bare, one with any type of sand or porus Ca based rock... you will lose copper everyday to it binding with some of the minerals. This means you need to add more copper everyday to keep the level constant. Essentially one drop of an ionic copper medication per gallon of tank water equates to a copper level of .15 an effective dosage.
    Lets say you buy a fish from that LFS that uses copper, you get the bag which has AT MOST 1 quart of water in it... that would mean 1/4 drop of Cu, even if you added all that water from the bag directly to the tank there is no way that that 1/4 drop of Cu is going to affect your corals in the tank.... Salt mixes probably have that much tramp Cu in them, not to mention pipes for all you people that use tap water.
    Ok scenario 2, the RO water had copper in it..... I would not understand the logic behind adding copper to top off or waterchange water.... Again when you are treating a tank with a med that needs to be monitored and dosed properly I can't imagine someone who is running a fish room finds the most effective way to treat the tanks is with make up or WC water?!? That would be like me doing water changes on a goldfish tank and filling it up with a mixture of water and mala****e green!

    I would, with close to 100% certainty rule out copper as the culprit, I have seen snails live through it, crabs zooanthids and mushrooms and that was at a level of .15-.20 not a potentially accidental addition of it. To be safe a copper kit could be used but like I mentioned copper is so unstable I have a feeling that if you DID have some in the tank, it is most likely completely bound up by now. Many times a simple dechlorinator like Aquasafe will help as it has Disodium EDTA which is used to bind up heavy metals.

    I would dig deeper into what else is different.. are you sure you didn't damage the coral on transport? Is everything set up the same way as pre move? Water movement the same?

    Good luck!
    Oh and if you choose to test for copper use the Instant Ocean kit, it is one of the best I have used just hard to tell the colors at time, similar to most reagant based tests!

    **EDIT**
    I didn't see the last two posts in regards to temp as I was typing this, I would believe the 86 is more likely the issue than anything else!
     
  5. coldshot

    coldshot Blue Ringed Angel

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    I would follow the Doc on this one....That's alot of heat....Has it been that high since the move?
    Danny