Two dead fish, two dying fish.. Severe Ich

My royal gramma and dragonet were both belly up in the same corner today at 4AM. Yesterday they were fine, eating and all that. At first I thought they had a dispute, taking a look at my pair of clowns though they look like they are covered in sand. It's pretty severe I mean last night 6 hours ago everyone was fine. Today everyone wakes up looking dusty and two already belly up? I had no idea this stuff could kill so quickly, I'm always looking at everything and nobody has ever shown a single sign or spec..

Question is what can I do??

I'm up early because I have a job site I need to be at that is 3 hours away. I have 12 hours of work left there, I'm not going to be back for at least 12 hours from 6am today. I'm pretty sure the clowns are done for. I raised the temperature to 83F in hopes that it will help. I'll keep track of the thread through my phone..

What about afterwards, am I supposed to scrap the whole tank and start over??

Remaining Live Stock:

Frogspawn, Acan, Lapeastrea, Zoanthid, 3x Turbo, 1x Fancy Nassarius, 2x Clowns

 

ich can kill if it infects the guills of fish, predomentaly however its a clear cut sign that something in the environment is stressing your animals out, weakening their immune system and making them suseptable to the parasites infection.

so you need to ask yourself if you have recently done anything that may have lead to said stress.

but lets start off with the basics, how big is your system, how long has it been running, what do you use as filtration, what do you feed, have you tested for basic parameters (n03,n02 i would especially test for NH3 or ammonia following the death of your fish.), what your tank salinity and finally what is your live stock? you may have a fish thats bullying or even killing the others. (EDIT: your remaining live-stock does not seem to be source of stress, though if your system is small clowns can become very territorial and aggressive with new comers.)

once we know a little more about you system we will be able to pin point the cause of the initial stress of your animals.

in the mean time the best thing you could have done/do is a 20% water change and point some powerheads to the surface for gas exchange (if you havent done this already)

also keep in mind that raising water temperature reduces oxygen levels so if a fish is already having issues breathing because of a parasite present in its gills further lowering the oxygen levels wont help.

 

if you're saying that everything was fine the day before and no it's going bad with 2 fish dead. I'm thinking marine velvet....I caught that once after the introduction of a new fish and it wiped out my tank it 3 days. Did you add anything to your tank recently in addition to the tests and all mentioned above?

 

size tank?
Parameters?

 

No need to scarp everything, just go slower and let the tank become established. Let the tank sit without fish for 2 months. If it's Brookynella or Cyrptocaryan or new tank syndrome that killed your fish leaving the tank fallow for 8 weeks will pretty much solve all those problems.

Raising the tank temp is for fresh water ich a completely different organism than SW ich. Raising the temp does nothing but reduce the O2 level as already mentioned.

Frank you can not keep so many fish in such a small tank, it just does not work that way in SW.

Unless you upgrade to a larger system learn to appreciate corals more than fish.

 

Agree 110 percent!Frank read these links please.

http://www.3reef.com/forums/new-hob...general-rules-successful-aquarium-126326.html

http://www.3reef.com/forums/general-reef-topics/minimum-tank-sizes-selection-animals-137158.html

 

I'm working so pardon the short reply..

Thank you all for the advice.


10gallon tank 14lbs of LR 15lbs of sand mainland 350 w poly. I did a 80% water change last Wednesday because I had high alk and really low ph. That straightened out the params. Water params are good 1.024 all zeros and a .o5 phos . I feed Dr g frozen brine and mysis. All that remains is a pair of clowns a peppermint shrimp and the snails... So I don't remove the corals ? The 475gph pump is pointed to the top and the filter is splashing also. ((
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No the corals are not in danger unless there is a ammonia spike from new tank syndrome (the in ability of the biological filter to complete the nitrogen cycle in a timely manner).

The suspect diseases do not affect corals, so removing the corals in a moot point unless the water chemistry is severely compromised. Your problem is stressed fish secondary to high bio-load in a newly set up tank.

 

I received my purigen today. Ill have that run. Ill also run charcoal. Is there any product I should supplement with?
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Update:

I don't think it's Ich now. Like I mentioned before the Royal Gramma had no physical signs (speckled w/ salt). For a week she did skip feeding times, everyone else looked/acted fine. The Red Scooter also didn't have any Ich like physical signs (speckled with salt). I did catch him swimming near the top of the water column in the current (trouble breathing?). Today I wake up to the Clowns having a hazy gray film all over their body starting from their face ending almost at the tail. Yesterday they didn't have any speckles when I arrived home, this morning only one has speckles but they are big - it's sand! She has be "hosting" a spot in the sand for a few days now.. From what I read about Marine Velvet they tend to rub their bodies thus explaining why I saw speckles that I thought were Ich on the clowns but not the other two fish who passed.

I'm not sure if I need to quarantine or just let them go about their cycle in the display tank.